Comments on: Reason #3: Honesty http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/ Stronger plants, stronger science, and stronger communication. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:17:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Karl Haro von Mogel http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1346 Karl Haro von Mogel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:09:33 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1346 Scotti, don't lie. I have the email in my inbox that has your comment, wherein you refer to our win as a "student prank." I am rapidly losing patience with your conduct on our blog, you are accusing us (and me) of dishonesty repeatedly with absolutely no evidence, or tact. Here is the last sentence of your comment: <blockquote>Lets hope some good comes out of your student pranks.</blockquote> Does that jog your memory? This comment was deleted as you made several false claims, including comparing our win to G.W. Bush. I have tried to email you twice, I just sent a third test, after doing some searching to see if the domain name of your email address was screwed up. Here is a portion of the failure notice: <blockquote>Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <*******_**@yahoo.co.au>: Sorry, I couldn't find any host named yahoo.co.au. (#5.1.2) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <****@inoculatedmind.com> Received: (qmail 43232 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2009 17:07:24 -0000</blockquote> If your email address contains a typo, you have made that typo every single time you entered it. I sent an email to the same address, but instead @au.yahoo.com, which hasn't yet bounced back, so maybe that got it. You could always register for the blog with a valid email address which will save some trouble with commenting, and help you avoid spam filters. (A couple of your comments were caught in the spam filter previously.) Finally, it is ironic that in the comments on a post about honesty, that you blatantly lied about what you said on this blog. You are trolling on this blog, and I would like you to please consider reading our comment policy on the About page before commenting further. Scotti, don’t lie. I have the email in my inbox that has your comment, wherein you refer to our win as a “student prank.” I am rapidly losing patience with your conduct on our blog, you are accusing us (and me) of dishonesty repeatedly with absolutely no evidence, or tact. Here is the last sentence of your comment:

Lets hope some good comes out of your student pranks.

Does that jog your memory? This comment was deleted as you made several false claims, including comparing our win to G.W. Bush.

I have tried to email you twice, I just sent a third test, after doing some searching to see if the domain name of your email address was screwed up. Here is a portion of the failure notice:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I’m afraid I wasn’t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I’ve given up. Sorry it didn’t work out.

< *******_**@yahoo.co.au>:
Sorry, I couldn’t find any host named yahoo.co.au. (#5.1.2)

— Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: < ****@inoculatedmind.com>
Received: (qmail 43232 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2009 17:07:24 -0000

If your email address contains a typo, you have made that typo every single time you entered it. I sent an email to the same address, but instead @au.yahoo.com, which hasn’t yet bounced back, so maybe that got it. You could always register for the blog with a valid email address which will save some trouble with commenting, and help you avoid spam filters. (A couple of your comments were caught in the spam filter previously.)

Finally, it is ironic that in the comments on a post about honesty, that you blatantly lied about what you said on this blog. You are trolling on this blog, and I would like you to please consider reading our comment policy on the About page before commenting further.

]]> By: scotti http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1344 scotti Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:54:00 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1344 Do understand blog controllers to a degree, sites like 'GMWatch' which have done such good work for several years and you quote from to 'spin' with; have been subject to cyber attacks from those opposed to such public interest groups and more neutral information.So if I made an address typo perhaps that has spared me ,as a spam filter, not my intention though at the time.I'm quite capable of self correction if there's a need or a valid point made. Do understand blog controllers to a degree, sites like ‘GMWatch’ which have done such good work for several years and you quote from to ‘spin’ with; have been subject to cyber attacks from those opposed to such public interest groups and more neutral information.So if I made an address typo perhaps that has spared me ,as a spam filter, not my intention though at the time.I’m quite capable of self correction if there’s a need or a valid point made.

]]> By: scotti http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1342 scotti Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:40:05 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1342 Not me, 'karl' never have used your self descriptor of 'prank' will check whether you tried to email as you have the address ,try not to make false claims or patronise even if its hard. Not me, ‘karl’ never have used your self descriptor of ‘prank’ will check whether you tried to email as you have the address ,try not to make false claims or patronise even if its hard.

]]> By: Karl Haro von Mogel http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1262 Karl Haro von Mogel Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:51:21 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1262 Correction - it seems that the spam filter has caught a couple of your comments. Ironically, in those comments you repeated GM Watch's false claims that the competition was fixed, and called our winning the contest a "prank." These are unproductive, trollish comments, and I have removed them. I tried emailing you to ask you to stop acting this way on our blog, but the email address you supplied is not valid. Try to be productive, and use a valid email address next time, ok? Correction – it seems that the spam filter has caught a couple of your comments. Ironically, in those comments you repeated GM Watch’s false claims that the competition was fixed, and called our winning the contest a “prank.” These are unproductive, trollish comments, and I have removed them. I tried emailing you to ask you to stop acting this way on our blog, but the email address you supplied is not valid. Try to be productive, and use a valid email address next time, ok?

]]> By: Karl Haro von Mogel http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1255 Karl Haro von Mogel Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:33:08 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1255 We do not remove comments we "don't like", scotti. We do not remove comments we “don’t like”, scotti.

]]> By: scotti http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1252 scotti Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:06:32 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1252 It seems you take off the comments you don't like,like mine, how many others then or ones that don't agree with the way you 'won' ,or the hubris, perhaps an unfairly claimed prize via twittering in the 'eleventh hour'. This was a small competition compared to the usual coporate grants.Please don't act 'as if' you are not pro-GE as you appear to be second year students in Iowa of plant genetics. It seems you take off the comments you don’t like,like mine, how many others then or ones that don’t agree with the way you ‘won’ ,or the hubris, perhaps an unfairly claimed prize via twittering in the ‘eleventh hour’. This was a small competition compared to the usual coporate grants.Please don’t act ‘as if’ you are not pro-GE as you appear to be second year students in Iowa of plant genetics.

]]> By: We won! http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1247 We won! Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:46:57 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1247 [...] only is it a victory for science communication, but also for dialogue, honesty, and independence. There are a lot of vested interests on both sides of the debate over genetic [...] [...] only is it a victory for science communication, but also for dialogue, honesty, and independence. There are a lot of vested interests on both sides of the debate over genetic [...]

]]> By: Karl Haro von Mogel http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1203 Karl Haro von Mogel Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:09:02 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1203 Hi Julie, Scientists do declare their financial ties, and in the case of our blog we have no such financial incentives. When scientists write for scientific journals that are also required to declare their financial interests. You can check the About page on our site, or go over to the individual websites of each ocntributor and find the same thing - what we write we write on a voluntary basis. I noticed that you commented on the Non-GMO Project's changemakers entry, claiming: "Anti GM activists are ordinary people with genuine concerns that are being ignored by people with a vested interest and it is a shame that those with a vested interest are also hijacking voting results on this site (Biofortified blog). Changemakers is an excellent initiative but change should be for the better, not for individuals to profit from alliances with corporations." Are you willing to revise your statements to align them with the facts? I also wrote another post which might interest you, as it mentions you by name. http://www.biofortified.org/2009/08/bizarre-argument-against-ge-wheat/ I don't remember you declaring any vested interests when you called for some sort of financial 'protection' against frost-resistant wheat. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. My only vested interest - the only commercial products I shill for are the beeswax candles and honey that my wife and I make! Thanks for commenting. Hi Julie,

Scientists do declare their financial ties, and in the case of our blog we have no such financial incentives. When scientists write for scientific journals that are also required to declare their financial interests. You can check the About page on our site, or go over to the individual websites of each ocntributor and find the same thing – what we write we write on a voluntary basis.

I noticed that you commented on the Non-GMO Project’s changemakers entry, claiming:
“Anti GM activists are ordinary people with genuine concerns that are being ignored by people with a vested interest and it is a shame that those with a vested interest are also hijacking voting results on this site (Biofortified blog). Changemakers is an excellent initiative but change should be for the better, not for individuals to profit from alliances with corporations.”

Are you willing to revise your statements to align them with the facts?

I also wrote another post which might interest you, as it mentions you by name. http://www.biofortified.org/2009/08/bizarre-argument-against-ge-wheat/ I don’t remember you declaring any vested interests when you called for some sort of financial ‘protection’ against frost-resistant wheat.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. My only vested interest – the only commercial products I shill for are the beeswax candles and honey that my wife and I make! Thanks for commenting.

]]> By: Julie Newman http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1202 Julie Newman Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:31:17 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1202 Why is it that scientists do not declare their incentives in GM over non-GM plant breeding? GM is not only more fun to play with but patents and intellectual property are owned by corporates and lucrative alliances are formed between public plant breeders (traditionally poorly funded) with corporate companies. Also individual scientists have incentives to develop patents over gene sequences found in previously non-patentable natural organisms. With so many people being promised such increased financial incentives with GM, it is no wonder it is becoming an unaffordable option for farmers. Why is it that scientists do not declare their incentives in GM over non-GM plant breeding?
GM is not only more fun to play with but patents and intellectual property are owned by corporates and lucrative alliances are formed between public plant breeders (traditionally poorly funded) with corporate companies. Also individual scientists have incentives to develop patents over gene sequences found in previously non-patentable natural organisms.
With so many people being promised such increased financial incentives with GM, it is no wonder it is becoming an unaffordable option for farmers.

]]> By: Karl Haro von Mogel http://www.biofortified.org/2009/10/reason-3-honesty/#comment-1126 Karl Haro von Mogel Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:53:11 +0000 http://www.biofortified.org/?p=750#comment-1126 Joshua, you're jumping the gun on one of the next reasons to vote for us! Thanks for helping us out! When will the votes stop going up? (Don't stop, BTW) I'll have you know Mary that my bees are living in spacious condos with running sugar and tomorrow I am adding insulation to their attics. But I don't allow dancing after-hours. Joshua, you’re jumping the gun on one of the next reasons to vote for us! Thanks for helping us out! When will the votes stop going up? (Don’t stop, BTW)

I’ll have you know Mary that my bees are living in spacious condos with running sugar and tomorrow I am adding insulation to their attics. But I don’t allow dancing after-hours.

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