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		<title>By: Karl Haro von Mogel</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1369</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Haro von Mogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done, done, done, done, and done. (done, done, done, found one, done and done.) Done, done. I have incorporated everyone&#039;s suggestions into a new page listing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biofortified.org/more-resources/genetic-engineering-companies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;genetic engineering companies&lt;/a&gt;! Feel free to suggest more in the comments on that page, thanks everyone for helping out.

Evidently the GE landscape is a bit more diverse than it once seemed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done, done, done, done, and done. (done, done, done, found one, done and done.) Done, done. I have incorporated everyone&#8217;s suggestions into a new page listing <a href="http://www.biofortified.org/more-resources/genetic-engineering-companies/" rel="nofollow">genetic engineering companies</a>! Feel free to suggest more in the comments on that page, thanks everyone for helping out.</p>
<p>Evidently the GE landscape is a bit more diverse than it once seemed!</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris - I can guarantee that the cost of getting a new GE plant to market is considerably greater than a few million dollars, I believe that the estimate on getting a marketable product from start to finish for Monsanto is in the region of $100M - each product has to go through a minimum of 2 years in a phase 1 project, 2-3 years in a phase 2 project, 2-3 years in a phase 3 project, and then a few years in phase 4 (just like drug research) (approximately 10 years from conception to release is the best timeframe I believe)

Big Biotech companies dont just release random genes onto the market - the technology has to be proven effective, proven in multiple current germplasms, and proven safe before release. This is another reason why small companies struggle to release commercially viable biotech products - the scale of trials required to prove efficacy of a product is frankly mind boggling (multi-year, multi-location) and without massive resources not exactly easy to do - another reason why small companies (and even big companies) collaborate on getting genes to market (BASF and Monsanto collaborate to take advantage of Monsanto&#039;s capacity to test on a massive scale combined with the increased knowledge base from both companies for example)

On the impact on consumption, health and environment - all of these are debatable - consumption? Yes, I guess you are essentially &#039;forced&#039; to consume the GE products, but whether this is meaningful or not is up in the air. Health? No evidence of adverse health effects - and the potential for improving health (vistive III soybeans as an example of a soon to be released product(recent submission for regulatory approval in the US)) is certainly there. Environment? Again debatable whether this is positive, negative, or neutral environmentally - all the data so far suggests decreases in environmental impact from the 2 big commercial GE products out there (Insect Resistance and Herbicide Tolerance) combined with the lower land requirement for similar output which preserves as yet unused land (there was an interesting article in science recently which suggested that biodiversity per unit yield in a set geographic area was infact increased if farming was done under intensive conditions with little within field biodiversity due to the massive reduction in biodiversity caused by even low impact farming - the difference being the smaller geographic footprint required for the same yield from the intensive ag) - also going forward water efficient and nitrogen efficient crops offer reduced environmental impacts.

These impacts you are bringing up need to be defined to be discussed properly - are they based on any evidence or are they just pulled from the general feel that big business has been bad in the past, and GE crops are evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris &#8211; I can guarantee that the cost of getting a new GE plant to market is considerably greater than a few million dollars, I believe that the estimate on getting a marketable product from start to finish for Monsanto is in the region of $100M &#8211; each product has to go through a minimum of 2 years in a phase 1 project, 2-3 years in a phase 2 project, 2-3 years in a phase 3 project, and then a few years in phase 4 (just like drug research) (approximately 10 years from conception to release is the best timeframe I believe)</p>
<p>Big Biotech companies dont just release random genes onto the market &#8211; the technology has to be proven effective, proven in multiple current germplasms, and proven safe before release. This is another reason why small companies struggle to release commercially viable biotech products &#8211; the scale of trials required to prove efficacy of a product is frankly mind boggling (multi-year, multi-location) and without massive resources not exactly easy to do &#8211; another reason why small companies (and even big companies) collaborate on getting genes to market (BASF and Monsanto collaborate to take advantage of Monsanto&#8217;s capacity to test on a massive scale combined with the increased knowledge base from both companies for example)</p>
<p>On the impact on consumption, health and environment &#8211; all of these are debatable &#8211; consumption? Yes, I guess you are essentially &#8216;forced&#8217; to consume the GE products, but whether this is meaningful or not is up in the air. Health? No evidence of adverse health effects &#8211; and the potential for improving health (vistive III soybeans as an example of a soon to be released product(recent submission for regulatory approval in the US)) is certainly there. Environment? Again debatable whether this is positive, negative, or neutral environmentally &#8211; all the data so far suggests decreases in environmental impact from the 2 big commercial GE products out there (Insect Resistance and Herbicide Tolerance) combined with the lower land requirement for similar output which preserves as yet unused land (there was an interesting article in science recently which suggested that biodiversity per unit yield in a set geographic area was infact increased if farming was done under intensive conditions with little within field biodiversity due to the massive reduction in biodiversity caused by even low impact farming &#8211; the difference being the smaller geographic footprint required for the same yield from the intensive ag) &#8211; also going forward water efficient and nitrogen efficient crops offer reduced environmental impacts.</p>
<p>These impacts you are bringing up need to be defined to be discussed properly &#8211; are they based on any evidence or are they just pulled from the general feel that big business has been bad in the past, and GE crops are evil?</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, I agree with your facts.  Certainly, smaller companies are as much in the biotech game for big money as the large ones.  Universities have always been at the forefront of agra research, although this seems to be different now with so much money being made.  

Concern for me is not that GE plants and animals exist and that these companies are making a buck, but it&#039;s the fact that they exist and we consume them without knowing about it.  You name these large corporations that we have to trust because their GMO products are automatically assumed to be safe and there is little independent testing going on to confirm that.  And a million dollars to get new GE plant approval is nothing compared to a drug trial that would cost several hundred times that and yet these plants have not only impact on our consumption and health, but they seem to come with a price for environment too.  

Finally, it&#039;s not the universities or small companies that lobby the hardest against any regulation or labeling and it&#039;s not the small companies that hide the most behind patents and trademark protections of their business practices.

You being a researcher in the field, I wonder what your take is on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, I agree with your facts.  Certainly, smaller companies are as much in the biotech game for big money as the large ones.  Universities have always been at the forefront of agra research, although this seems to be different now with so much money being made.  </p>
<p>Concern for me is not that GE plants and animals exist and that these companies are making a buck, but it&#8217;s the fact that they exist and we consume them without knowing about it.  You name these large corporations that we have to trust because their GMO products are automatically assumed to be safe and there is little independent testing going on to confirm that.  And a million dollars to get new GE plant approval is nothing compared to a drug trial that would cost several hundred times that and yet these plants have not only impact on our consumption and health, but they seem to come with a price for environment too.  </p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s not the universities or small companies that lobby the hardest against any regulation or labeling and it&#8217;s not the small companies that hide the most behind patents and trademark protections of their business practices.</p>
<p>You being a researcher in the field, I wonder what your take is on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Haro von Mogel</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Haro von Mogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions so far! Of course, I forgot Arcadia - that&#039;s an important one and a good example of a smaller company licensing to bigger ones. I believe their nitrogen use efficiency is licensed to Monsanto for one crop and Pioneer for another.
There might be more smaller companies than people realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions so far! Of course, I forgot Arcadia &#8211; that&#8217;s an important one and a good example of a smaller company licensing to bigger ones. I believe their nitrogen use efficiency is licensed to Monsanto for one crop and Pioneer for another.<br />
There might be more smaller companies than people realize.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryM</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah--this article had more: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/id/189263&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crops With Attitude&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Poor nations are now starting to shake off the old &#039;Frankenfood&#039; taboo.&lt;/i&gt;

Pannar, an African seed company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah&#8211;this article had more: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/189263" rel="nofollow">Crops With Attitude</a></p>
<p><i>Poor nations are now starting to shake off the old &#8216;Frankenfood&#8217; taboo.</i></p>
<p>Pannar, an African seed company</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could add Indian companies like the large Mahyco and the smaller Metahelix. In Canada there is Sembiosys, Performance Plants etc. In Seattle, Targeted Growth. China much of the agbio comes from Public Sector institutions that then commercialize themselves. nOt much activity in South Africa but there is a seed stage fund that supports agbio so maybe in future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could add Indian companies like the large Mahyco and the smaller Metahelix. In Canada there is Sembiosys, Performance Plants etc. In Seattle, Targeted Growth. China much of the agbio comes from Public Sector institutions that then commercialize themselves. nOt much activity in South Africa but there is a seed stage fund that supports agbio so maybe in future?</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of small biotech firms involved are probably partnering with bigger biotech firms - I know Monsanto has a bunch of different collaborations at any given time, I&#039;d assume other companies do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of small biotech firms involved are probably partnering with bigger biotech firms &#8211; I know Monsanto has a bunch of different collaborations at any given time, I&#8217;d assume other companies do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryM</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EvoGene--that&#039;s the one I was blanking on before: http://www.evogene.com/

There&#039;s also Exelixis. I didn&#039;t even realize they had a plant division.  http://www.exelixis.com/discovery_agriculture.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EvoGene&#8211;that&#8217;s the one I was blanking on before: <a href="http://www.evogene.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.evogene.com/</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s also Exelixis. I didn&#8217;t even realize they had a plant division.  <a href="http://www.exelixis.com/discovery_agriculture.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.exelixis.com/discovery_agriculture.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: MaryM</title>
		<link>http://www.biofortified.org/2009/11/who-makes-ge-crops/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to limit myself to crops--I actually think that helps to broaden the conversation on the technology as well.

Arcadia Biosciences, referred to here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/is_the_green_movement_part_of_the_problem.html

Protalix is an Israeli company (I&#039;m starting to hear a lot about Israeli biotech, actually...) they make a human protein in carrot cultures that treats Gaucher disease.  http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&amp;Date=20091015&amp;ID=10494825&amp;Symbol=PLX 

ArborGen LLC makes that blight resistant chestnut tree I discussed in the forum http://www.prweb.com/releases/American_Chestnut/UGA_Research/prweb2629434.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to limit myself to crops&#8211;I actually think that helps to broaden the conversation on the technology as well.</p>
<p>Arcadia Biosciences, referred to here: <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/is_the_green_movement_part_of_the_problem.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/is_the_green_movement_part_of_the_problem.html</a></p>
<p>Protalix is an Israeli company (I&#8217;m starting to hear a lot about Israeli biotech, actually&#8230;) they make a human protein in carrot cultures that treats Gaucher disease.  <a href="http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&amp;Date=20091015&amp;ID=10494825&amp;Symbol=PLX" rel="nofollow">http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&amp;Date=20091015&amp;ID=10494825&amp;Symbol=PLX</a> </p>
<p>ArborGen LLC makes that blight resistant chestnut tree I discussed in the forum <a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/American_Chestnut/UGA_Research/prweb2629434.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.prweb.com/releases/American_Chestnut/UGA_Research/prweb2629434.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karl Haro von Mogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Haro von Mogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, Benjamin, it takes about a million bucks to put a GE crop through the testing required by regulations in the US and elsewhere. The Golden Rice project is going through it, as well as BioCassava Plus I believe.

In the case of Mendel Biotechnology, I believe they are licensing their soybean yield trait to Monsanto, who may be footing the bill for the testing.

It makes you wonder if the regulations are there to keep the big corps in power...? They certainly help keep the smaller ones from getting involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Benjamin, it takes about a million bucks to put a GE crop through the testing required by regulations in the US and elsewhere. The Golden Rice project is going through it, as well as BioCassava Plus I believe.</p>
<p>In the case of Mendel Biotechnology, I believe they are licensing their soybean yield trait to Monsanto, who may be footing the bill for the testing.</p>
<p>It makes you wonder if the regulations are there to keep the big corps in power&#8230;? They certainly help keep the smaller ones from getting involved.</p>
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