33 responses

  1. MaryM
    January 24, 2013

    I wish I had clever skills for stuff like names. I have to say the anti-GMO folks appear to work with that Luntz guy based on their abilities on that front.

    What I think will work for me on this format is that I can just enter a new topic when it comes ’round on twitter in the usual zombie cycles. But you know what might be fun? To have an edit-a-thon someday. When we all agree to commit 3 hours or something. Maybe set up a chat room or something, and just do a batch. More fun that way. And everyone can do 1 page based on their favorite zombie topic.

    • Karl Haro von Mogel
      January 24, 2013

      Sometimes they seem to be rather clever, but at other times it seems as if there is absolutely no creative thinking involved. Is there anything other than the “frankenfood” meme going to show up in the anti-GE artwork?

      I’m down for a G+ wiki party. In Davis, we used to hold OMGLOLWIKIBBQ’s – which were real-life wiki parties for social purposes. But there were some hard work parties, like one for launching wikispot.

  2. Anastasia
    January 24, 2013

    I love the idea of a shared edit time. Could open a google hangout or something and joke around while getting some work done. Hmm that could work for genera too.

    My spouse suggests: Community Modified Organisms and communitymodified.org is available.

    I’m terrible at cool names as well. I wonder if agchat folks would have any ideas.

    • Karl Haro von Mogel
      January 24, 2013

      Community Modified Organisms sounds like a great start for a tagline.

      I should do some sort of reverse google analysis. What terms bring them hither the most? Hmmm. If we go by site stats, then ‘glofish’ would have to be part of the name. Kidding of course. Maybe I should ask one of those many SEO companies spamming our Guest Post Request inbox what would be the best name for this.

      • Anastasia
        January 26, 2013

        Smart! Let us know what you find.

        I do like CMO as the tag line if not the name.

  3. WyoWeeds
    January 24, 2013

    I think I like the GMO Fact Check name the best.

    I also think an edit-a-thon would be a great idea. I would probably be more likely to contribute something substantial that way (the guilt of others agreeing to work at the same time usually gets me).

    • Karl Haro von Mogel
      January 24, 2013

      An edit-o-thon would be fun. A doodle poll of interested parties could help find a regular time. But if there are a few timeslots, even different times of the week where anyone can join, it could be a social as much as a scientific event.

      Let’s let the name thought-process ebb and flow, and maybe this time next week if nothing better comes up, the domain could be registered. :)

  4. MattvDiLeo
    January 24, 2013

    I’d just call it GMO Wiki… Not clever but easily googled for and transparent.

    • Karl Haro von Mogel
      January 24, 2013

      I bet it would come up in searches with those terms either way!

  5. BuckarooSamurai
    January 25, 2013

    I’m pretty free during my work hours 9p to 5am pst sun-thurs. Im no scientist and barely have a hs diploma but i can do some of the more egregious monsanto myths since those are easy.

  6. Jean-Pierre Zryd
    January 25, 2013

    A wiki on GMO looks as a very good idea. BUT the ONLY problem is to encourage people to contribute. I started many years ago a wiki to promote discussion on GMO politics in Switzerland. I took the decision to close this WIKI in 2013 (this year); the reason ? I finally end up with the conclusion that I was almost the only contributor , no use then for a WIKI. If you are interested (and understand a bit french) you can have a look here http://www.ogm.ch (very trivial name) or to the main site http://ogm.wikidot.com , but hurry up, the first site will be dead by the end of February and the second one by the end of June 2013.
    My disappointing experience should not discourage you, but think about !!!
    By the way I had very good experiences with the WIKIDOT hosting.
    Regards
    Jean-Pierre Zrÿd

  7. the bug guy
    January 25, 2013

    I’m partial to GMO Tropes.

  8. Joey
    January 25, 2013

    Hi, I’d like to propose a non-wiki solution (though am fine with whatever we end up) just so it looks good and professional, plays better with search engine stuff, and gives us more control over the overall site. I’m good at setting up Joomla sites, having done it for a few clients (on the side, I was a web programmer before bioinformatician).

    Joomla is a lot like a wiki, it’s a content management system(more like wordpress than a wiki) and you get full control over the editing(instead of wiki syntax). Everything can be categorized to follow a structure, and use tags and the like if we choose to, and we can have many admins editing the site (with usernames/passwords of course), as well as published / unpublished articles. An article(page) is locked if someone else is editing it at that time, like most wiki’s do. Articles are not owned by a single individual, so others can come in and make corrections easily.

    There are lots of good looking configurations: http://community.joomla.org/showcase/sites/

    Here is a template I am using on my website (not at all completed yet, or has ever been):
    http://demo.smartaddons.com/templates/joomla3/sj-joomla3/

    I’d be happy to set up a demo site and give out some username/passwords to the people here to test it out and see if they like it. It only takes a few minutes to set up, and could host it until the bandwidth gets to be too much, then we could move it to hostgator or the like($10/mo, I already have an account so could host it there with no additional cost, or someone else could). As well as google analytics, etc..

    Or answer additional questions about it, let me know.

    • Anastasia
      January 26, 2013

      Are there any fees for using Joomla?

      • Joey
        January 26, 2013

        No, Joomla is free and open source. Some of the templates and plug-ins are not free but can easily be avoided.

    • Karl Haro von Mogel
      January 26, 2013

      I am open to a non-wiki solution as well. I’m very familiar with wordpress, are there any advantages to using Joomla over wordpress, besides familiarity on your part? Hosting would not be a problem because we can put it on our server.

      If you are willing to put together a simple demo we could test out as a group then that would be very helpful for evaluating this as an option!

      The wiki is nice because it fosters collaboration, and the recent changes page makes it easy to dive in and help with pages that people are working on. One big disadvantage as you pointed out is being constrained by wiki markup and being unable to precisely control formatting. For instance, you can’t put a picture next to a title, unless you do the title as a page that is included in a table that has the picture in another cell. Messy.
      I know there are plugins that can set up a ‘recent changes’ kind of function as well as an editor-approval mechanism (which we use on this site for contributed posts), is there an easy way to achieve this with Joomla?

      Having functions like google analytics, and better access to site stats would help determine the effectiveness in reaching people.

      • Joey
        January 26, 2013

        I can’t think of any big advantages over WordPress, other than Joomla is meant to be more open-ended (you can set up a blog with it, or a store, or a magazine, etc).

        I do think the advantage of either wordpress or joomla over a wiki will be formatting and style, which will present a clear view of professionalism. A wiki could be useful in the back-end even for communications between the editors. I think collaboration would still be possible, as you can jump into any article to make an edit, but may not be as collaborative as a wiki. (I also love the idea of the g+ hangout / write up pages days).

        I’ll have to check into the other things for Joomla, it does have a full user system and admins can give out specific permissions, but it does depend if it is going to be anyone can edit or only certain people type of thing.

        I will get one set up to test today. Can people who want to try it out PM me in the forum? Is that an option? I do not want to put out a username/password in a comment. It won’t have all the options set up, it will just be a quick setup. But it can have SEF URL’s and metadata and the like, author pages, etc.

        I am josephg in the forums on here.

      • josephg
        January 26, 2013

        So the forums here might not have private messages. You can PM me on twitter at @JoeyInMpls and any admins here can email me.

      • josephg
        January 26, 2013

        Here is the demo site: http://gmofc.josephguhlin.com/

        E-mail or PM me on twitter for login info (anyone here)

        @JoeyInMpls

  9. Janice
    January 25, 2013

    I LOVE this idea! And like the GMO FactCheck idea since factchecker has gotten so much play in the political arena. I think some folks are still not hip to wikis even if they think wikipedia is the best thing ever.

  10. Daws
    January 26, 2013

    Generally it should be memorable, pertinent, and short. That last one is the only reason I have doubts about “gmo fact check” I would strongly avoid “tropes” just because even I don’t know what the heck it means, it’s not well known and runs the risk of getting lost in communication. “Trophes you say?” You don’t want to have people having to ask how it’s spelled. GMO wiki probably is the safest. However I think “GMO Fact Check” has the best opportunity to attract potential anti-gmo fledglings, and may garner less skepticism about accuracy that is (unduly IMO) associated with “wiki.”

  11. BuckarooSamurai
    January 26, 2013

    I’ve updated the wiki with a new entry. The information is basically there and I have no issue with people adding more to it or messing around with the formatting as I have said I’m less than a novice at doing this and that page represents 3 hours of work (I know, I know).

    http://gmotropes.wikispot.org/Monsanto_is_a_patent_bully_and_sues_farmers_regularly#preview

    • Daws
      January 28, 2013

      Good read, though for citation number four and future general use I’d try to avoid citing Monsanto’s site. As it might cause some knee jerk reactions…

      • Richard R
        January 28, 2013

        a good read/reference on what is actually in the technology agreements and how it applies “on farm”

        http://thefarmerslife.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/i-occupy-our-food-supply-everyday/

      • BuckarooSamurai
        January 28, 2013

        I felt it was okay site Monsanto’s webpage since I was referencing their stated policies and not some kind of scientific claim, I then backed it up with evidence provided in the Schmeiser court case.

      • Daws
        January 30, 2013

        Ah I get what you’re saying. The context of the usage does matter for sure, but I’m willing to bet people wont see that, they’ll just notice a citation of monsanto for proof of something (not even knowing what) and dismiss it all as “coming from a shill.” (As evidence, I didn’t note the context myself….embarrassingly >.< )

        From past experience people on the anti-gm side can be pretty sensitive to even the mention of that company.

      • Daws
        January 30, 2013

        (Of course you know this :P )

  12. Joe Ballenger
    January 27, 2013

    Karl,

    Are you going to keep the focus on GMOs, or will you branch into other areas where there are myths about agriculture?

    One thing I see being spread about via facebook memes is this idea that it’s illegal to grow your own food. I have no idea where this is coming from, as there are no references to any legislation attached.

    I suspect it’s linked to Monsanto’s patent suits somehow, and if this is the case then it’s perhaps not an urban legend related to biotech per se…but there is some overlap there.

    • Anastasia
      February 3, 2013

      I agree – there are a lot of myths about food and agriculture to cover.

  13. Daws
    January 28, 2013

    Would like to add, though it’s not a mythbusting specifically, it’d also be cool to see a list of all the kinds of GMOs that have been developed, or/and made it to market, and are being worked on to develop in the future. Maybe it’d be in debunking the myth…though maybe not a very prevalent one, that all GMOs are the same or of the same kind?

  14. Joey
    February 4, 2013

    Is there any real movement or has the conversation moved somewhere else?

    There is a new (at least to me) site:
    http://foodmyths.org/myths/the-environmen/

    If we go the wiki route, how do we make it look decent? References aren’t the only way to create credibility, and outside the scientific world, really do not create much credibility.

  15. John Eleblu
    February 7, 2013

    GMOs and living systems or GMO Truths or GMO World Facts or GMO WORLD or GMO corner. All about GMOs.

    I think we need both a wiki and a joomla. Why not?

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